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them more information. they got testimony from secretary panetta and the joint chiefs chair dempsey, and they believe that added to what the public knows about benghazi and was the right way to go about this. when brennan comes up to be cia director expect another one of these circumstances but for tonight this is a setback for hagel. it's part of the process. it doesn't derail it but it's a difficult day for chuck hagel. >> kristin welker, are you hearing any reaction from the white house? >> reporter: i can tell you they're working on a statement, martin, right now. they do still continue to stand by their belief that he will ultimately be confirmed. to your point this is a blow to the white house. the president's initial pick for secretary of defense, susan rice, was derailed by the republicans, so this certainly is unwelcome news. >> kristin welker and kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. thank you for watching. chris matthews picks things up right now. >>> the war on chuck hagel. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight
because they put up this resistance. first, they got testimony from secretary panetta who chuck hagel would replace and the joint chiefs chair dempsey about benghazi. that wouldn't have happened they say had they not put up this fight. today they received a letter from the white house counsel that provided more answers about the president's own involvement on september 11th and they believe that that is a credit to the white house, they've now given them that information. they're saturday for now on that. expect more questions, chris, when john brennan, the cia director nominee, comes forward. so it's a tool -- >> what do they still want to know about benghazi that can be used as a reason for this decision to hold up this confirmation? what do they still want to know? >> they want to know the name of the person who changed the talking points that were circulated and included the description of the video and a spontaneous demonstration when they've now learned through testimony that the secretary defense and the joint chiefs chair both knew almost instantly that it was terrorism. they
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